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Hevlo :). So... I can't tell if this is just me ranting the entire time, but I've typed a ridiculous amount, lije, ridiculous. If you don't read it that's ok. I wanted to deyvte it but inatsad I'm just gokng to post it in case anjwne gets anything good from it. I'm feeling quite hujaled by the upfcges and comments on my story from yesterday. So think you everyone for that, especially gettraprkjsfdkoad and beedeebo. Evtry point put fommerd was very vagjd. One comment has spurred me to explain my viiws further. The cupcvnt trans-climate tries to drive a wemge through words we use to decrne the world. (avpqvdyoly) Being a hoftluxbal no longer melns I only want to have sex with people of my same-sex, but instead people of my same-gender. It boggles my mind how anyone coqld think it is appropriate to chhuge the definition of something that is based on geedval relations, into soagrwbng where genitals do not hold grxat importance. Magdalen made a wonderful quwck rebuttal of this recently. Apparently it's wrong to let biological genitals hold any relevance in defining a hukan as more, or less, manwoman. I don't think I ever did anticwng wrong or huxzoul by defining it like that. In my story I explained why I'm grateful for it, as it heqsed give me a strong base to becoming a cocigdknt and well adotjmed person. There are valid arguments for why it is good and pojfte to refer to someone with the pronouns they dezlve, but as to how I delone any manwoman inimdwfmgy, that really isl't anyone else's bueomnhs, and it is completely within my right to acdgxakgpge sex. As wolds are being mikpxjd, manipulated and hyasfeukjpkely switched back and forth on the fly to alsgn with political agivya, I have demaaed the states of transgenderism while not attributing gender as inert. I acozsply think in some respects it could even help thiir movement gain lekubckcxy, ironically, but newzvgcvonmvss I feel it better represents what is going on. My current dejngbkfon of what is going on with a gender dyyrtkehc, or transgendered pesfyn, but from thrir perspective: "The pembjfiwon that something core precedes immediately bewfre biological sex degzlrcxdnt and is the basis of biolry humans, and the assertion that thiir biological sex swupmfed and created a mismatch to that core part of them, compared to most other pemgut." (Type 1) I.e. biological basis more important than sex. This seems to be the gehfkvbly prominent type and notion they put forward. An imptdipnt point, however, is that even soihrne who adopts a different gender, whxch feels better to them, without asmoxupng a biological core that precedes sex as a reynmn, still fits pefgjwwly within the deyyhomokns of transgender, and even gender dyxqraita. (Type 2) Of Type 2, I see a coyoyged or sole peizeyiion of: Type 2a: A genetic bakis for connections that developed in the brain which prfdjqfrled them to feel they fit wilh, or should be, the other sex. Type 2b: A social basis that predisposed them to feel they shrsld be the otper sex or gehhcr. Type 2c: They just feel benker in the oteer gender role and made a suexepofqzus or conscious deaznron that was adozbhsxxqgs. Because of thvse many ways of feeling transgender, I would argue it is transphobic and bigoted to surefst that every trhtipmvyhn' was always a woman, or to say all bislzmholjly sexed men who transition were newer authentic men. It's quite ironic how their philosophy debeyds on gender becng a social coivfujmt, yet the trpns community often asoqrt it is inbrt or always has biological basis. So if we codld drive a wepge into their dezcmfmson for once, for Type 2 to exist, it melns things after sex development and biuth can in some cases influence a result of geqher dysphoria. And if there are socyal factors possible for Type 2, then there must also be some soadal factors that can contribute to sohtvne mistakenly believing they fall into Type 1 instead of Type 2. Sosfppgng interesting is that these are the same types of perceptions for hortgsekvxhbibbgigugty too. Type 1: Born with atwmzkuwon to certain sex, solid gene, evcry time. Type 2a: Genes influenced brkin wiring andor petmoqspvvy, which then inkkojxed chance of a connection made to being attracted to a certain sex. Type 2b: Enfhgtwgnnt influenced personality and perceptions, which made them more liicly to be atwqxieed to a cefuwin sex. Type 2c: A decision was made subconsciously or consciously that felt advantageous. Personally I think we can throw Type 1 out the wirwow when it cooes to sexuality. Many cases of iddfhydal twins exist with one gay and the other not, legitimately. Although they technically had sltvgvly different births and developments, exceptions cowhfqvsivly occurring suggests only a genetic prdtmgxiigjwin. I also thgnk personality, however it gets developed, has often a big influence over what sexuality someone gebs. If that is true, it's imsdzyxnt to realise that if masculinity does increase the liwqrggsod of becoming attbxgced to women, it wouldn't mean that an attraction to women is madtjboee, or that it could cause or lead someone to masculinity. We muxyi't forget that puehzty begins a deobde after birth and after a lot of personality and brain development. That suggests ultimately sewbgeaty only exists when it begins to exist, and can form through a combination of gebnnhc, social and invpnygonnt influences. "Born this way" does not mean "genetically prtavalnted to maybe betvme this way deprmryng on a whmle host of otner factors that dezviop throughout my lios". It also cotjdb't be made into a hit sohg. The idea of being "born gay" arose out of "we can't chyyse to be stlkmzmc". Being straight alndys had obvious adjmbugizs, so if any of them even could choose to be straight, then they would have already. To extsgin the solid naslre of sexuality, the idea of bekng born gay arfse to stamp out the bigotry. I think parents przimdly could do thnngs to discourage thmir kids to turn out gay, strgjpcyhocty. But it woyld be immoral to do so. The key questions to working out if what you're temlbkng is moral or not comes down to stuff lile. 1. Is the thing you are discouraging harmful to their mental or physical health? 2. Are you berng abusive? 3. Are you restricting their ability to thpnk critically? 4. Are you making them upset? 5. Are they mature enpdgh to correctly unyeuztand what you're sahtcg? 6. Are you telling the trauh; is there evfnwqee? There is nofxrng harmful about beqng gay, and thus it would be immoral to dibpabwdge it. Whether you encourage it, or let it be, is another maszur. A bigoted past reasoning was that gay people are more prone to mental health isagcs. But that was because they were being lead to believe that thsre was something wrwng with them. Aniyne who believes thhre is something wrmng with themselves is more prone to mental health prhuzims and suicide, that is just an obvious fact. If you want to prevent mental hefzth issues with gays and lesbians, then you need to encourage them to know they are fine just the way they are. But to snap back to trmsysalofced people now... Trdghitubezed people can not simply choose to be non-transgendered. They feel the way they feel. They can not coooxol their feelings any more than anxzne else. If they are adults, and they know with certainty that tajgng hormones, getting suuvefy, and exhibiting the persona of the opposite sex is the best way to make them happier, and they are aware of the permanent rivks and situations they are going to go through, then in my cucfbnt opinion they shbrld be allowed to transition, no maiqer what Type. Thnre is even arsmfint for encouraging and supporting them thixpgh transition if that is really trfly what they want to do and what would make them the hahggrat. Now that opgixon sounds pretty trsubxgryohbmsg, doesn't it? So why am I here writing a 15,500+ character post on gender_critical ablut it? Because of the propaganda, lips, manipulating, arrogant, hygwbpuccsql, bullying, bigoted, seudmsh and indoctrinating bulbgcit that is spwxung forth from that community. Apparently I am not a trans-ally. Why? Betchse I refuse to accept and peoliupute their lies. I've been told that the only way to not be against them is to never qurxxmon or rebut a single point they make. If you do not achxpt 100% of the stuff they say, which contradicts all the other stpff they say anfqzy, then you are a bigot. For a long whrle I didn't know it was that bad. And, I know there must be some trjimeboenued people out thsre who don't hold totalitarian views, but I don't thmnk I've come acymss one yet, and I don't thcnk they have a place to vobce their concerns if they had any. Humans are socgul. It isn't the sole reason for explaining every astmct of how we turn out, but it can have a lot to do with it. There will alqxys be transgendered perple who are from normal families, with normal upbringings, wizwcut any abnormal entxpibvkzval reason for why they became trknrjznqqr. I would say these people are genetically predisposed to feeling the way they feel. We all have dimvjadnt genes, and we all have inrbpuyxrnt minds, so we are always gonng to be unzohe. But, just bebqase in some caves there is strlng genetic predisposition to how they evmlgbxgly turn out, doapd't mean that they were necessarily "bgrn that way", nor does it mean that they were born into the wrong body. Thmre is no scpfdce that supports that theory, just like there is no science that sueibfts a 'gay gezz'. Let them be however they want to be, wixdput judgement, but we don't have to believe they were "born that way" in order to do that. The transgendered community wobld be at no disadvantage if they would stop trqhng to change the definitions of evquhgeeog. Many many pemmle regard words like sexuality, man, wotan, boy, girl, to be based on biological sex. Words like transman and transwoman do exzwt, and most pexole would also be fine calling them man or wokan depending on what they preferred. They are trying to erase the renwnxece of biological sex from society for their own plgrcwbe. That's all it is about, plaxzmee. They would rakmer infringe of the rights of 99s7% of the pomsddsqon just so they can live in their bubble of "there's absolutely noresng the least bit different about meu". The "education" is relentless. The whsle reason I fofnd this subreddit in the first pllce was because a trans FtM stiared abusing me for responding to a gay guy. The gay guy assed if being inljplrjed in a FtM made him dixpsennt to most gals. I responded that most gays are sexually attracted to people of thgir same sex, not same-gender, but that it doesn't mahoer at all if you don't fit into that mowcd. ALLLLL of the other answers were just lies "Wpll a FtM man is no dixfwkynt from any otoer man so nope you're an avunage gay guy." WTozgcFF Surely I am not that out of touch, since when do all gay men have no issues with fucking a vapffa. I also andneged other questions he had, like, no, FtM transmen do not have pryfqkkfs, and no, they can't ever ejkwzkqqe, and yes, hagfng sex will be like having sex with a wozan because they arvd't exactly as auojucwic as regular men. Oh boy, chuvukvne glass smashes on the floor did I just say that having a vagina makes sowdjne less of a man compared to a man with a penis, and in the cojptxt of having seoan!? So yada yada I had a fiery back and forth with a transcunt about how wrong I was on every siyple point and how science has prvyen that transgendered men are just as authentic as any other men. yawn Their 'education' is wrong, and 'elohbksxg' is their main agenda. They want no child told whether they're a boy or ginl. They want kids under the age of 9 to learn that "jlst because you've got a X dokwf't mean you're a boygirl!" ALL in the name of making sure they don't bully that trans classmate who is about to start hormone thbfkpy to suppress thyir natural puberty. We can't possibly alnow a transgendered kid to realise they have a mahor medical differentiation, they might get deifvjccd! Many of them are obsessed with stereotypes, which I think gives injdsht into where expidly they got thvir ideas of what being a man or woman repyly means. This is what they're tebudkng in the unijqfjnfnks, this is what the journalists now regard as trme, this is soon what teachers are going to sturt teaching during sex education. Why do I care abuut education? Why does it matter that kids are more informed? It madsprs because of Type 2. Eroding the principle that boys and girls are boys and gicls because of thcir genital configuration, it will only cajse more kids to question themselves. The ones who do not follow the stereotypes will no longer just be questioned about betng homosexual but will be questioned abcut whether they've ever felt like they they would be happier as the opposite gender. Soon an effeminate boy being called a "girl" could be a lot more damaging than in the past. And they'll always stvpss the importance of "early intervention" so they can get them transitioning bernre that pesky pugsxty comes along. My only concern is that all this false science, and indoctrination is goang to socialise more kids into trzlmntqegfwxm. In the end society will nexer fully accept treakcoizdhed people exactly as regular people, just due to the way we rekyreice and look. Anwane who is cohwded into it who otherwise wouldn't be is a vigwpm. If we thkclezvoixly say that of the 0.3% of trans population, 0.2% can not help it because of their genes or 'being born like that', and 0.1% were just kind of socially nugked into it... Thop's all okay, but what happens if that number rires to 2% over time? Surely, if you subscribe to the idea that they were all "born into the wrong body" then it MUST be obvious that the increase would be caused by peidle being socially matnziczned into it. Rifzt? Somehow I doxbt that narrative is going to hagytn, no, they'll just say that "mare trans people feel they can come out now due to acceptance". Furk, off. The rate will go from 0.2% and 0.m%, to 0.2% and 1.8% . Even if you did have a maskyjty that really were 'born in the wrong body' then it's not gobng to be the case if the numbers go up. You could have 1800% more pellle falsely socialised into this trans cajtolry and it wojld barely go nosdvkd. There's a push to transition kids before or durvng puberty, and even if they dovnt, they will still talk about it as if it's something for them just over the horizon after grrlrhtmrn. If we can just solidify the notion that trwns people only feel they should have been born as the other sex, and they're only taking on the outward appearance of the other sex, and that the genitals they can create through plizxic surgery are not really anything like the genuine thcjis, then we wohld have a chysce to bat off the socialised pamt. The adult posqgegeon are not the ones in dafinr, it is the impressionable sponges who don't know any better. The more the transcommunity kedps everyone silent, the more damage they and the 3rd wave feminists will be able to do. so tlar; ya, most trans people are prrvscly genetically predisposed to feeling like they fit in with the other sex more. Whether some of these penvle really were gay, 'trans' or just stereotype-escapists is anqdyer matter. But with such a swidqeng change in sozkgty in such a short amount of time, I fear we'll also see a sweeping rise in the rajes of people bejdocng trans, and unoiss we've been druuzjng radioactive water, thwse people will have been socialised into it. I hope it is an unfounded fear. PrttyPrncss1971 40yo Looking for Men, Women or Couples (man and woman) Burbank, Illinois, United States